On Monday, for the forty fifth time, Leonard Peltier celebrated his birthday in a federal jail.

The Native American rights activist, now 78, has spent most of his life behind bars. He was convicted by the U.S. authorities of aiding and abetting within the homicide of two FBI brokers throughout a 1975 shootout on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota.

There are so many problems with Peltier’s imprisonment that it’s arduous to know the place to start. There was no proof that he dedicated against the law. The FBI threatened and coerced witnesses into mendacity throughout his trial. The prosecutors hid exculpatory proof. His two co-defendants had been acquitted primarily based on self-defense. A juror admitted she was biased in opposition to Native Individuals on the second day of the trial however was allowed to remain on anyway.

Within the many years since, among the identical U.S. authorities officers who helped put Peltier in jail within the first place ― together with a federal judge and a U.S. attorney ― have admitted how flawed his trial and remedy have been and have pleaded for his clemency. His extended imprisonment has sparked outcry from federal lawmakers, leaders in Indigenous communities, celebrities and worldwide human rights leaders, together with Pope Francis, the Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela, Coretta Scott King and Amnesty Worldwide USA.

As lately as July, United Nations authorized specialists took the extraordinary step of calling on President Joe Biden to launch him instantly.

So why is Peltier nonetheless in jail? As a result of the FBI continues to oppose releasing him, leaning on arguments which might be wildly outdated, misleading or flat-out wrong. To many, Peltier is now merely America’s longest-serving political prisoner.

In anticipation of Peltier’s birthday, HuffPost final week talked to certainly one of his most seen and devoted advocates: Steven Van Zandt. Most individuals know Van Zandt as Bruce Springsteen’s guitarist, a mobster actor on “The Sopranos” or by means of his numerous inventive accomplishments. However he has additionally been publicly calling for Peltier’s freedom for many years. He wrote a song about Peltier, he recurrently talks about him on Twitter and, it seems, Van Zandt thought he had an actual shot at convincing former President Donald Trump to grant him clemency, besides… everybody he was working with on Trump’s staff stored going to jail.

Right here’s a transcript of our interview, throughout which Van Zandt urged Biden to launch Peltier and stated he beforehand requested Springsteen to even be an advocate with former President Barack Obama. Van Zandt additionally referred to as on Biden to embrace the edgy, lasers-shooting-out-of-his-eyes, super-genius ”Dark Brandon” meme that progressives are clamoring for and even supplied Biden a speech to ship to the nation about why everybody ought to vote for Democrats, as a result of, as he put it, ”we’re in the midst of a fucking battle. A battle, OK?”

This interview has been edited for brevity.

Hello, Steven. Thanks for making the time.

Yeah, no, for Leonard, we’d do something. You already know? It’s insane. We’re working out of time. I’m like six, what, seven presidents into this?

You’ve been following his scenario for thus lengthy, and I’m questioning how this all began for you. Had been you following this within the information when the shootout occurred?

No, no, I got here to it pretty late, truly. I didn’t study it till 10 years later. I used to be doing analysis for certainly one of my information, and it had a Native American theme. I ended up beginning a basis on the time that handled nothing however Native America. I observed that the South African apartheid system was mainly primarily based on what we did with our Native Individuals, and the entire homeland coverage type of got here from our primary reservation factor.

In order that connection was made, and I began doing numerous analysis and we ended up, on the time, the Solidarity Basis ended up with extra details about Native America than the [Bureau of Indian Affairs]. [Laughs.] I imply, they used to return to us for info. So, yeah, I began to struggle the nice struggle for Native America again then. I used to be making an attempt to make that my subsequent massive challenge. And, actually, it was inconceivable. I didn’t succeed. [Laughs.] And I noticed, that is how we took over the nation within the first place. [Laughs.] The identical issues nonetheless exist, you already know?

So it was fairly a irritating couple of years, however I realized loads. I used to be spending a variety of time on the market, at Pine Ridge, so I realized about Leonard, and, after all, I used to be outraged again then. I simply couldn’t imagine how apparent this was.

The closest I got here [to helping to get Peltier out of prison], to be trustworthy with you, was Trump.

Nicely, I began, you already know, getting shut to numerous folks. They usually stored going to jail.

The Trump folks you had been speaking to stored going to jail?

Yeah. And each time I used to be simply on the verge of constructing the transfer, they go to jail.

What number of instances did that occur?

That occurred twice. And one other two or three that had been, you already know, that needs to be in jail. [Laughs.] So it was identical to, it was simply so irritating.

Leonard Peltier’s extended imprisonment is “arbitrary,” and the U.S. authorities ought to launch him instantly, United Nations authorized specialists lately wrote.

Have you learnt if, earlier than these folks went to jail, that the message had gotten by means of to Trump that this was one thing that he ought to do?

I’ll by no means ensure. After which we tried to get to his youngsters and Jared [Kushner] and, I imply, I actually thought in a weird approach that Trump was our greatest shot. I’m positive he would do it at present, wouldn’t he. [Laughs.] I’m pondering, you already know, it’s bought to be someone not afraid of insulting the FBI. I believe he in all probability wouldn’t have an issue with this at present. [Laughs.] However even the FBI, I imply, I’ve bought mates within the FBI, and all people feels the identical approach about it.

What do your mates say over there?

That they’re not going to struggle on his behalf, however they realize it’s fallacious.

Have you ever had any contact with Biden’s White Home about Leonard?

You already know, I performed it sensible with Trump as a result of I had Leonard on my thoughts your complete time, and proper up till close to the tip I didn’t say one single important factor about him, OK? And that was not simple. I actually was like, I’m going to attempt to be cool as a result of I bought larger issues on my thoughts.

With Biden, you already know, I like the person, however I’ve been simply sick ever since he bought in. It’s simply been so irritating. Each transfer he’s made has been the fallacious transfer. This week he’s lastly waking up, and I hope he wakes up. However, you already know, I’ve been calling Merrick Garland “Barney Fife” for 2 years. I’ve been very important of them as a result of, you already know, I’m not mad on the Republicans. They’re all criminals, you already know what I imply? Criminals do what criminals do. However the place are the powerful good guys? The place are the nice guys which might be speculated to be defending us? And arresting these creeps? It’s simply not occurring. I’m like, sufficient with this bipartisanship nonsense.

So lastly this week, I’m thrilled, he lastly is combating again slightly bit.

Have you learnt concerning the Darkish Brandon memes?

Yeah. Let’s hope he stays. However, I imply, I’ll be happier when the “semi” part of the “semi-fascist” goes away.

So that you haven’t reached out to Biden people about Leonard.

No, I’ve been very important of them. So I’ve been reluctant to try this. I’ve been doing it by means of third events, after all, consistently. However I don’t actually know them. I imply, I talked to [White House chief of staff] Ron Klain as soon as. I talked to a number of others.

Did you discuss to him about Leonard?

No, it was a common factor, simply making an attempt to get them to get up, you already know? Struggle this battle, you already know? What they don’t appear to know is his approval ranking isn’t just concerning the financial system. That’s a part of it. Sadly, he made the error of taking credit score for these inflations, which he had nothing to do with…. America likes power, OK? If he got here throughout as sturdy as he’s now sounding this week, imagine me, his approval ranking goes to leap up as a result of it’s not nearly inflation. If he explains, to start with, if the unique [“Build Back Better”] deal had gone by means of, the $4 trillion one, there wouldn’t have been inflation. OK?

It’s slightly extra sophisticated than that. And the reality is, if it had handed, due to the creep traitors [Sens. Kyrsten] Sinema and [Joe] Manchin, if that they had truly been actual Democrats and didn’t need to kill the Democratic Social gathering and kill this administration, and had gone together with it, that will’ve utterly worn out the inflation downside, I’m telling you proper now. However as an alternative, he takes this, “Nicely, can’t all of us get all alongside” perspective after we’re in the midst of a fucking battle. A battle, OK?

It’s fairly appalling that among the dangerous issues occurring round right here in plain view don’t appear to have penalties.

You already know, this begins with [special counsel Robert] Mueller. I hate to say it, however that was our final greatest hope. Right here’s a man who spent his entire life, a authentic hero, doing nothing however service for the nation and ends his profession a sniveling coward ― outsmarted by Rudy Giuliani standing by a fictitious protocol that doesn’t exist. You may’t indict a sitting president. The place is it written? Present me. It doesn’t exist. And if the man was going to observe that fictitious protocol, he shouldn’t have took the gig within the first place.

And, after all, the Congress doesn’t do one factor about it. After which DOJ does nothing about it. And now the seven-year factor has handed, the chance to indict on that.

What are we ready for right here? You already know, Trump is responsible of treason in like 10 other ways. However possibly they’re getting sensible lastly.

What’s it with Leonard’s scenario that has stored you so targeted on it for actually many years? What’s behind the endurance there?

I hate injustice. I hate injustice, and I hate bullies. I simply can’t tolerate it. Injustice that’s this outrageous, he’s now turn out to be an emblem of the final injustice in opposition to Native Individuals because the starting. He’s actually our home political prisoner, you already know? I admire us getting prisoners out of different locations.

You imply like Brittney Griner.

Yeah, you already know, and I’m all for that clearly. I believed that ought to’ve occurred loads sooner, to be trustworthy. However that is like, we now have certainly one of these. We’ve an absolute home political prisoner, and we needs to be embarrassed about that. I don’t know what it’s going to take. I imply seven fucking presidents, man. Come on.

"We have an absolute domestic political prisoner, and we should be embarrassed about that," Steven Van Zandt says of Leonard Peltier. He is pictured with Bruce Springsteen at the 2018 New Jersey Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony in Asbury Park.
“We’ve an absolute home political prisoner, and we needs to be embarrassed about that,” Steven Van Zandt says of Leonard Peltier. He’s pictured with Bruce Springsteen on the 2018 New Jersey Corridor of Fame Induction Ceremony in Asbury Park.

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So should you had 5 minutes alone with Biden, what would you say?

I’d say, pay attention, Joe. You need to run once more? You need to win? You need to hold the Home and Senate? I’ll offer you a speech proper now that may leap your approval ranking up 10 factors instantly.

And right here’s the speech: “I’ve tried with all my coronary heart to embrace bipartisanship. However sadly, the Republicans, they don’t need to hear it. They need to take away your Social Safety. They need to take away your Medicare. They don’t need to care about your youngsters at school. They’re making an attempt to inform you, you already know, what books to learn, what you possibly can learn, what historical past you possibly can know, what girls can do with their our bodies. They’re speculated to be representing freedom? How is that freedom? So it’s time to declare battle on those that have clearly determined they’re not concerned about being American anymore. They’re anti-American. They’re un-American, all proper? As a result of we imagine in range. We don’t imagine in suppressing the vote, and we don’t imagine in gerrymandering and dishonest on voting, OK? So it’s time to really face the info. It’s time for everyone on the market to turn out to be Democrats and vote Democrat and let’s get this factor executed.”

After which my final 30 seconds can be, “By the best way, Joe, let’s get Leonard Peltier out of jail, OK?” As a result of sufficient is sufficient.

And, by the best way, Joe has been, you already know, fairly terrific with getting Native Individuals into his Cupboard. I believe in all probability greater than possibly anyone in historical past, I don’t know. So I’d say, OK, now let’s full the job. And, by the best way, on the facet, I’d say, politically it doesn’t damage. It’s not going to harm you in North Dakota and South Dakota and Arizona and locations the place they’ve an enormous Native American inhabitants, which you possibly can use in your facet. OK? Let’s do one thing that’s at the very least symbolic for them and possibly with actual substance, I’d hope additionally.

So that will be like my common dialog. I’d be like, it’s time to declare battle, man. Present them you’re a fighter. You already know? You’re not going to take this mendacity down. You’ve been making an attempt and making an attempt and making an attempt, and imagine me, all people’s going to imagine that since you’ve been like Mr. Rodney King right here, ‘Can’t all of us get alongside,’ whereas they beat the shit of you. You already know? All due respect, you’re following the footsteps of Obama, who I like, I’m sorry, however who introduced a knife to a gunfight. It’s time to struggle again.

Talking of Obama, did you attain out to his people in any respect about Leonard?

Sure. And I even instructed Bruce [Springsteen] to say it to him.

Did Bruce point out it to Obama?

I don’t know. I believe so.

Does Bruce share your emotions on this?

I’ve instructed him about it. I haven’t made an enormous deal out of it with him, however he is aware of what I do. He has his personal issues, I don’t need to impose on his personal, you already know, he has many, many issues he’s combating for as properly.

Anything you need to say about Leonard Peltier or politics usually?

I believe if the midterms go the best way they need to, you already know, if the goddamn DNC and DCCC and DLCC and all these marketing campaign organizations wake the fuck up, OK, and clarify to folks, you’ve bought to be insane to vote for Republicans, OK? What’s the matter with you, you already know? I imply, they’re taking away Social Safety and Medicare. Isn’t that sufficient?

We haven’t even talked about Jan. 6.

Oh fuh-get it. Fuh-get it. That is precisely the issue, OK? What are they doing with these folks? They’re giving them fucking parking tickets. I imply, they need to have been actually shot, OK? As they’d’ve been had they been Black or had they been Muslim. Had they been something besides white supremacists, they’d’ve been killed on the spot. Appropriately so. And what occurs? You give them parking tickets. And guess what? That’s not scaring anyone into legislation and order. And this entire lawlessness, it begins on the prime. It begins with a man occurring TV saying, “Overthrow the federal government,” and he’s enjoying golf day by day.

[Fox News’ Sean] Hannity and [Tucker] Carlson, they need to be arrested for homicide after what they did with COVID. Trump needs to be arrested for homicide, the most important mass assassin in historical past, murdered one million folks. Individuals forgot about that? He didn’t imagine in science. He didn’t imagine his every day briefing. He didn’t learn it 30 days in a row saying an emergency is coming, which he admitted to [Bob] Woodward in his e-book. He admitted it to him. 1,000,000 folks he murdered, not one particular person on Fifth Avenue. I imply, what does it take? He admits to obstruction of justice on NBC, saying “I fired [FBI Director James] Comey as a result of he was investigating me.” Is there any higher definition of obstruction of justice than that? I fired him as a result of he was investigating me for against the law?

That is what’s been occurring, and folks see this. It filters down, and there’s this entire discuss of violence, violence, violence. I imply, fucking Lindsey Graham. Yeah, Mr. Robust Man, you already know. He’s an actual [laughs], he’s an actual powerful one, huh? There’s going to be violence in the streets? I’m positive you’re going to be proper on the market, Lindsey, you already know, main the rioters. [Laughs.] However that fixed discuss of violence, you already know, that is what fascism is all about. That’s why I hope the “semi” a part of Biden’s description begins to go away.

Anyway, I’m simply venting. Do your factor.

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